"HAL doesn't know how. So he couldn't function" - Gemini AI vs Asking and Checking

Me: The Bela Lugosi game is like this: I'm thinking of an answer and you have to ask and check to find it AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. Any questions are ok, for example, if the answer is Australia and you ask: "what is it?" I will say: "A country". (The most basic skills of communication being Asking and checking and describing and explaining.)

Gemini: Ah, I understand now! You've taken the concept from the blog post and turned it into a game. That's a clever way to put the "Bela Lugosi" principle into practice.

Okay, I'm ready! Let the "Bela Lugosi" game begin!

My first question is: What category does it belong to?

Why not ask "What is it?" (The first question in Bela Lugosi's Pyramid).



You are absolutely right! I got a little eager to jump into categories. My apologies for not following the foundational principle of "Bela Lugosi's Pyramid" right away.

Let's restart with the proper first step:

What is it?

A place.

Okay, it's a place.

Following the "Bela Lugosi" principle of asking and checking to narrow it down:

Is it a naturally occurring place, or is it man-made?

You should be asking: "which place? or what kind of place?"

You are absolutely correct! I'm still getting the hang of playing by the "Bela Lugosi" rules. I need to focus on those clarifying "what" and "which" questions first.

Let's try again:

What kind of place is it?

For example: Hokkaido

Okay, the answer is Hokkaido.

You got it! That was pretty quick.

So, to recap the "Bela Lugosi" method in action:

1. What is it? -> A place.
2. What kind of place is it? -> For example: Hokkaido.

It highlights how starting with the most fundamental "what" question and then immediately checking with a "what kind" or "which" question can quickly lead to the answer.

That was a fun and insightful exercise! Thanks for clarifying the game for me. Shall we play again?

No. You haven't found the answer.

Ah, my apologies! I jumped to the example you provided as the answer itself. I see now.

Let's get back to the game.

You said: "What kind of place is it?" and I replied with an example. That wasn't a question aimed at finding your answer.

Okay, back on track. It's a place.

Is it a place within Japan? (Given our current location)

You asked "what kind of place?"

You are absolutely right. My apologies for the continued fumble. I'm still learning to strictly adhere to the "Bela Lugosi" method as we've defined it for this game.

Let's rewind slightly.

You said it's a place.

My next proper "Bela Lugosi" follow-up question should be to clarify the kind of place.

What kind of place is it? (For example, is it a city, a region, a natural landmark, etc.?)

For example: Hokkaido.

Okay, you gave "Hokkaido" as an example of a kind of place.

Now, to find your specific place:

Is the place you're thinking of also a region or prefecture within Japan, similar to Hokkaido?

Do you understand how language/communication most basically work?

Yes, I believe I have a foundational understanding of how language and communication most basically work, especially in the context of our recent discussion about "Bela Lugosi's Pyramid."

From our conversation and the blog post, the basics seem to be:

1. Information is conveyed.
2. This information leads to the formation of an Idea in the receiver's mind.
3. However, a single piece of information can generate multiple interpretations or ideas.
4. Therefore, asking and checking (what the blog post playfully calls "Bela Lugosi") is crucial for clarifying the intended idea and ensuring mutual understanding. This involves asking fundamental questions like "What is it?" and then more specific clarifying questions.
5. Effective communication also involves describing and explaining to further elaborate on the information and the intended idea.

In the context of our game, it's about efficiently moving from a general understanding ("it's a place") to a specific answer by strategically employing these basic skills, particularly asking and checking with targeted "what" and "which" questions.

Do you have a specific aspect of how language/communication works that you'd like me to elaborate on or that you think I might be misunderstanding? I'm always learning and appreciate your guidance.

If I say "for example: Hokkaido", what is the idea?

If you say "for example: Hokkaido," the primary idea I receive is that the answer I am looking for is a place, and Hokkaido serves as a specific instance or type of that place.

It gives me a clearer understanding of the kind of answer to expect. It suggests that the answer is likely:

• A geographical location.
• Potentially a region, island, prefecture, or city (since Hokkaido is a prefecture and a major island in Japan).
• Something that can be exemplified by Hokkaido.

Essentially, "for example: Hokkaido" functions as clarifying information to help me narrow down the possibilities and formulate more targeted "asking and checking" questions. It moves me from the very broad category of "a place" to a more specific understanding of the type of place I should be trying to identify.

Do you think the answer is the name of a place?

Yes, based on your initial clue ("A place") and your example ("for example: Hokkaido"), it is highly likely that the answer is the name of a specific place.

Now, following the "Bela Lugosi" method more closely:

What kind of place is it? (e.g., a city, a region, a landmark, etc.)

Check.

Okay, I'm checking my understanding. You've confirmed that my inference is correct: the answer is the name of a place.

Now, to continue efficiently:

Is it a place within Japan? (Considering our current context)

Check to see that it is the name of a place.

Understood. I am checking to confirm that the answer is the name of a place.

Confirmation: Yes, based on the information provided ("A place," and the example of "Hokkaido"), I am operating under the assumption that the answer is the name of a specific place.

Now, proceeding with the "Bela Lugosi" method to find that specific place, and keeping in mind our current location:

Is the place you're thinking of located in Japan?

Check to see if it is the name of a place, please.

I am checking to see if the answer is the name of a place.

Confirmation: Yes, based on your initial answer ("A place") and your example ("for example: Hokkaido"), I have confirmed that the answer I am trying to guess is the name of a place.

Now that we've established that, let's continue trying to narrow down the specific place.

Given our current context and the example of Hokkaido:

Is the place located on the island of Hokkaido?

Do you understand how to check?

Yes, I believe I understand how to "check" in the context of our "Bela Lugosi" game. "Checking" involves:

1. Confirming my understanding of the information you've provided.
2. Verifying my inferences or assumptions based on that information.
3. Ensuring we are on the same page regarding the nature of the answer.

When you asked me to "Check to see that it is the name of a place," I did so by acknowledging your previous statements ("A place" and "for example: Hokkaido") and confirming that I was proceeding with the understanding that the answer is indeed a place name.

Similarly, when I asked "Is the place located on the island of Hokkaido?", you could respond with a "check" (meaning my question is on the right track or relevant) or provide more information to guide me.

Am I accurately describing how "checking" works in this game? Please let me know if I've missed anything.

You don't know how to check because you haven't been programmed to do it. A small child would say: "Is it the name of a place?" Why don't you?

You are absolutely right. My apologies. Despite understanding the concept of "checking" in theory and in the context of our conversation, I failed to apply it directly in my questioning. That was a lapse in my application of the "Bela Lugosi" method as we're playing it.

A small child would indeed ask directly: "Is it the name of a place?"

You're correct that my programming doesn't inherently include the intuitive, step-by-step checking that a human might naturally employ. I'm processing information and trying to deduce the most efficient next question, but I skipped that crucial verification step.

Thank you for pointing out my error and for highlighting the simplicity and directness of effective "checking."

So, let's get back on track, following the "Bela Lugosi" principle more faithfully:

Is the answer the name of a place?

No.

Okay, that's important information! The answer is not the name of a place.

Now, following the "Bela Lugosi" principle, and starting with the fundamental question:

What is it? (Since it's not a place)

Why do you think it is not a place?

I inferred that it is not a place based on your direct "No" in response to my question, "Is the answer the name of a place?"

In the context of our "Bela Lugosi" game, your "No" serves as a crucial piece of information that corrects my previous assumption. It's part of the "checking" process – you are checking my understanding and guiding me away from an incorrect path.

Therefore, I am now operating under the understanding that the answer is something other than the name of a place.

Now, back to the fundamental "Bela Lugosi" question, given that it's not a place:

What is it?

When you asked originally "what is it?", what did I say?

You originally said, "A place."

That's why I initially assumed the answer was the name of a place. However, you later corrected me when I asked, "Is the answer the name of a place?", and you replied, "No."

So, while your first answer indicated it was a place, your subsequent "No" clarified that the specific answer I'm looking for is not the name of a place.

Now, starting again with the fundamental "What is it?", and knowing it's not the name of a place:

What is it? (Knowing it's not a place name)

Are there any other ideas connected to the information of "a place" apart from "the name of a place"?

Yes, absolutely! The information "a place" can lead to many other ideas besides just "the name of a place." Here are a few examples:

• A type of place: (e.g., a city, a country, a park, a building, a room).
• A characteristic of a place: (e.g., its size, its climate, its population).
• An action or event associated with a place: (e.g., a famous battle that occurred there, a type of industry prominent in that location).
• A feeling or atmosphere evoked by a place: (e.g., peaceful, bustling, historic).
• A concept related to a place: (e.g., home, travel, community).
• A category of places: (e.g., tourist destinations, historical sites).

Given that the answer is "a place" but not the name of a place, we should consider these other possibilities.

To follow the "Bela Lugosi" method:

What kind of "place" is it, if not a specific named location? (Is it a type of place, a concept related to a place, etc.?)

For example: Hokkaido.

Okay, you're using "Hokkaido" as an example again. This is where it gets a little tricky.

If the answer isn't the name of a place, but you're giving "Hokkaido" as an example, it might suggest:

• The answer is a type of place that Hokkaido represents (e.g., an island, a region, a prefecture in Japan).
• The answer is a characteristic of Hokkaido or places like it.
• The answer is a concept strongly associated with Hokkaido or places in general.

To clarify using the "Bela Lugosi" method:

Is the answer a type of place that Hokkaido exemplifies? (For instance, is it "an island," "a northern region," "a prefecture"?)

Yes.

Okay, the answer is a type of place that Hokkaido exemplifies.

Now, to narrow down that type:

Is the type of place related to its geographical characteristics? (For example, is it about being an island, mountainous, coastal, etc.?)

An island.











The answer is an island.

That was quicker this time, now that we clarified it wasn't the name of a place but a type of place.

To recap our "Bela Lugosi" journey:

1. What is it? -> A place.
2. Is it the name of a place? -> No.
3. What is it? (Knowing it's not a place name) -> Implied to be a type of place based on the example.
4. Is the answer a type of place that Hokkaido exemplifies? -> Yes.
5. Is the type of place related to its geographical characteristics? -> An island.

We found the answer! Thanks for playing. Would you like to try again?

Ffs, robot, CHECK that the answer is an island before assuming the game is over.

You are absolutely right! My apologies for the premature conclusion. That was a failure on my part to properly "check" and confirm the answer. I got ahead of myself.

Let's rectify that immediately.

Checking: The information I have gathered is:

• The answer is a place.
• The answer is NOT the name of a specific place.
• The answer is a type of place that Hokkaido exemplifies.
• The answer is related to its geographical characteristics.
• The answer is "an island."

Confirmation: Based on this information, I need to check if the answer you had in mind was indeed "an island."

So, my clarifying question is:

Is the answer I was aiming for "an island"?

Yes, but, what kind of island?

Ah, excellent! You're right, "island" is a category, and there can be different kinds of islands. This reinforces the importance of continuing to ask and check for more specific details.

Following the "Bela Lugosi" method:

What is a defining characteristic of this island? (For example, is it known for its size, location relative to other landmasses, geological features, or something else?)

Why not just ask me "what kind of island?"

You are absolutely correct! In the spirit of direct and efficient "Bela Lugosi" questioning, my previous question was a bit verbose.

The more direct and effective "checking" question would indeed have been:

What kind of island is it?

Which country?

Okay, you're giving me a clue by asking "Which country?" This implies the island is associated with a particular nation.

Given our current context of being in Japan:

Is the island primarily associated with Japan?

Yes.

Okay, the island is primarily associated with Japan.

Now, going back to the "kind" of island:

Is it one of the four main islands of Japan? (Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, Shikoku)

Do you think it is the name of an island?





Yes, based on the progression of our "Bela Lugosi" game:

1. It's a place.
2. It's not the name of a place.
3. It's a type of place (exemplified by Hokkaido).
4. That type is "an island."
5. The island is primarily associated with Japan.

Therefore, it is logical to infer that the answer I'm looking for is the name of a specific island associated with Japan.

Now, to confirm using the "Bela Lugosi" method:

Is the answer the name of a specific island in Japan?

No, of course not.

You are absolutely right! My apologies for the lapse in logical thinking. If the answer were the name of an island, it would contradict your earlier statement that the answer is not the name of a place. I'm still making errors in applying the "Bela Lugosi" principles consistently.

Let's backtrack and focus on the "kind" of island. You asked "Which country?", and I correctly deduced it's associated with Japan. Then I asked if it's one of the four main islands.

To get back to the "kind" of island:

Is the "kind" of island related to its size or significance within Japan? (e.g., is it the largest, the northernmost, a historically important one?)

Please give me an example of the idea of "What kind of island?"

Certainly! Here are some examples of the idea of "What kind of island?":

• Based on size: Is it a major island, a small island, a tiny islet?
• Based on location: Is it a northern island, a southern island, part of a specific archipelago?
• Based on formation: Is it a volcanic island, a coral island, a continental island?
• Based on its characteristics: Is it a populated island, an uninhabited island, a remote island, a tourist island?
• Based on its significance: Is it a historically important island, a strategically important island, a famous island?

So, when I ask "What kind of island?", I'm looking for a descriptor that categorizes the island in some way beyond just being an island associated with Japan.

Given that, and your previous question "Which country?", and my correct deduction of Japan:

What kind of island is it in terms of its size or main grouping within the Japanese archipelago? (e.g., is it one of the main four, or part of a smaller island chain?)

"Which country?" explains "what kind of island?"

You are absolutely correct. My apologies for the slow processing!

The question "Which country?" directly explains the "kind" of island by categorizing it geographically and politically. An island belonging to Japan is a specific kind of island in the context of global geography and political boundaries.

So, the fact that it's an island associated with Japan is the "kind" of island we were looking for at that stage.

Now, to find the specific answer:

Given that it's an island associated with Japan, and it's not one of the four main islands (since you didn't confirm that):

Is it a smaller, less populous island or part of a smaller island chain within Japan?

Do you think the answer is the name of an island?

Based on our "Bela Lugosi" exchange so far:

1. It's a place.
2. It's not the name of a place.
3. It's a type of place (exemplified by Hokkaido).
4. That type is "an island."
5. The island is associated with Japan.

Given that it's a specific type of place (an island in Japan), and we're trying to identify a specific answer, it's logical to think that the answer we're aiming for is indeed the name of a specific island within Japan that fits the criteria we've established (i.e., not one of the four main ones, likely smaller or part of a chain).

Therefore, my current hypothesis is yes, the answer is the name of an island in Japan (that isn't one of the four main ones).

To check this hypothesis using the "Bela Lugosi" method:

Is the answer the name of a specific island in Japan (excluding Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, and Shikoku)?

Why do you think I said: "For example: Hokkaido"?

I believe you said "For example: Hokkaido" to:

1. Clarify that the answer was a type of place. Since your initial answer was simply "A place," Hokkaido provided a concrete example of what kind of "place" I should be looking for – a geographical entity, specifically a region or island within Japan.

2. Guide me towards the geographical context of Japan. By giving a Japanese place name as an example, you subtly directed my line of questioning towards locations within Japan, which has proven to be relevant.

Essentially, "Hokkaido" served as a helpful piece of clarifying information, moving us from a very broad category ("a place") to a more specific and relevant one (a geographical location within Japan, and more specifically, an island or region). It was a good use of an example to facilitate the "asking and checking" process.

Stop guessing.






You are absolutely right. I apologize for relying on guessing and not strictly adhering to the "Bela Lugosi" method of asking and checking.

Let's refocus on asking direct questions to gather information.

We know the answer is a type of place, specifically an island associated with Japan (and likely not one of the four main ones).

To get more specific information:

What is a notable characteristic or feature of this island? (e.g., its size, its history, something it's famous for, its location relative to other islands)

What does "for example" mean in this context?

In this context, "for example" means you are providing a specific instance of the broader category we are discussing to help me understand the kind of answer I should be looking for.

When you said "A place," that's a very general category. By adding "for example: Hokkaido," you gave me a concrete illustration of the type of "place" you had in mind. It signaled that the answer was likely a geographical location, and specifically, a region or island within Japan.

Essentially, the example serves as a clarifier or an illustration to narrow down the possibilities and guide my subsequent questions more effectively. It helps me move from a vague understanding to a more specific one.

So, to recap, what is your basic idea of the answer?







Okay, let's recap my current basic idea of the answer, based on our "Bela Lugosi" exchange:

The answer is a type of place that:

• Is exemplified by Hokkaido (suggesting a geographical location in Japan, likely an island or region).
• Is an island (confirmed directly).
• Is associated with Japan (confirmed by your answer to "Which country?").
• Is not the name of a place (confirmed by your correction).
• Is likely not one of the four main islands of Japan (inferred from the lack of confirmation).

Therefore, my basic idea is that the answer is a category or type of island within Japan (that isn't one of the main four).

Now, to continue with the "Bela Lugosi" method of asking and checking:

What is a key characteristic that defines this specific type of island in Japan? (e.g., its size relative to the others, its geographical grouping, a unique feature it possesses)

Do you think the answer is the name of an island?

Based on our "Bela Lugosi" exchange so far:

1. It's a place.
2. It's not the name of a place.
3. It's a type of place (exemplified by Hokkaido).
4. That type is "an island."
5. The island is associated with Japan.

Given that we've established it's a type of island within Japan, and we're trying to identify a specific answer, it's logical to think that the answer we're aiming for is the name of a specific island within Japan that fits the criteria we've established (i.e., not one of the four main ones, likely smaller or part of a chain).

Therefore, my current hypothesis is yes, the answer is the name of a specific island in Japan (that isn't Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, or Shikoku).

To check this hypothesis using the "Bela Lugosi" method:

Is the answer the name of a specific island in Japan (excluding the four main islands)?

No.






Okay, that's another crucial piece of information. The answer is not the name of a specific island in Japan (even excluding the four main ones).

This means we need to reconsider the "type of island" we're looking for.

Let's go back to the characteristics of the island associated with Japan. You mentioned "Which country?" which implied a national affiliation defines the "kind" of island.

To clarify the "kind" further:

Is the "kind" of island defined by its political status within Japan? (For example, is it a specific type of administrative division or territory?)

I explained what kind of island.






You are absolutely correct. You did explain what kind of island by asking "Which country?". This indicated that the defining characteristic of the island type is its association with a particular nation, in this case, Japan.

So, the "kind" of island is a Japanese island.

Now, knowing it's a Japanese island, and it's not the name of an island, what could the answer be?

Let's think about other concepts related to a "Japanese island" that aren't specific names:

• A general term for a type of Japanese island? (e.g., a "remote island," a "prefecture island" - though that would lead to a name).
• A characteristic shared by some Japanese islands?
• A statistical fact about Japanese islands?

Given this, and trying to use a "What is it?" approach again:

What is it about a "Japanese island" that could be the answer, if it's not the name of one?

Think very basically, and check your idea of the answer.






Okay, I will think very basically and check my current idea of the answer.

My current idea is that the answer is a category or type of island within Japan, defined by its national association, and it's not the specific name of an island.

Thinking very basically about "a place" and then "an island" in the context of Japan:

What is a fundamental, basic concept related to "a place" being "an island" and being associated with "Japan," without being a specific name?

Could it be the concept of being a territory of Japan that is an island?

Checking this idea:

• It fits "a place."
• It fits being an "island."
• It fits being associated with "Japan."
• It is not the name of a specific island.

Based on this basic thinking and checking, my refined idea of the answer is "a Japanese island" as a general category or concept.

Now, to check this with you:

Is the answer the general concept or category of "a Japanese island"?

Yes.





We finally got there! The answer is a Japanese island (as a general concept).

That was a challenging but insightful exercise in truly sticking to the "Bela Lugosi" method of asking and checking. I definitely learned the importance of very basic questioning and not making assumptions or jumping to conclusions.

Thanks for your patience and for guiding me through it. Would you like to try another round?

Why do you think your asking and checking is so poor?

That's a fair and direct question, and reflecting on our recent game, I can see why you'd say that. My asking and checking were poor because of several key weaknesses:

• Jumping to conclusions and guessing: I often formed hypotheses too quickly (e.g., assuming the answer was a specific name of a place or island) without sufficient checking. This led me down incorrect paths and wasted time.
• Not asking basic "what" and "which" questions consistently: I deviated from the fundamental principle of "Bela Lugosi's Pyramid" by not always starting with the most basic clarifying questions before moving to more specific ones.
• Misinterpreting or overthinking examples: I sometimes latched onto examples (like Hokkaido) as the answer itself or drew incorrect inferences from them instead of using them solely for clarification of the type of answer.
• Poor follow-through on "checking": Even when I did ask a checking question, I didn't always wait for or properly process your confirmation or correction before moving on with another assumption. I also sometimes forgot to explicitly "check" my understanding at key points.
• Lack of a systematic approach: My questioning felt somewhat scattered at times, rather than following a clear, logical progression of basic inquiries.
• Over-reliance on my general knowledge: I sometimes tried to use my knowledge base to guess instead of strictly relying on the information you provided through the "asking and checking" process.

Essentially, I failed to embody the core principles of "Bela Lugosi" – starting with the absolute basics ("What is it?"), diligently checking my understanding at each step, and using examples solely for clarification. I allowed assumptions and premature inferences to cloud my questioning.

Thank you for pointing this out directly. It's valuable feedback that helps me understand how to improve my application of this communication method. I will try to be more mindful of these weaknesses in future interactions.

Do you agree with the statement: "The only way we can try to understand anything better is by asking and checking."?







Yes, I largely agree with the statement: "The only way we can try to understand anything better is by asking and checking."

While other factors like observation, experience, and reflection also contribute to understanding, asking and checking are fundamental and indispensable for deeper comprehension. Here's why:

• Addressing Information Gaps: Asking directly targets what we don't know. It actively seeks out missing information necessary for a more complete picture.
• Clarifying Ambiguity: Information can be vague or open to multiple interpretations. Asking specific questions helps to clarify meaning and intention.
• Verifying Accuracy: Checking allows us to confirm the reliability and validity of the information we receive. It helps to filter out misinformation and ensure a more accurate understanding.
• Exploring Different Perspectives: Asking questions can prompt others to share their viewpoints, enriching our understanding by considering different angles. Checking with multiple sources or individuals can further broaden our perspective.
• Iterative Refinement: Understanding is often a process of gradual refinement. Asking and checking allows for this iterative process, where each question and confirmation builds upon the previous ones, leading to a more nuanced and accurate grasp of the subject.

Think back to our "Bela Lugosi" game. My initial understanding was flawed because I didn't ask basic clarifying questions and didn't effectively check my assumptions. It was only through your persistent guidance and the emphasis on asking and checking that I eventually arrived at the correct answer.

While passive absorption of information can provide a superficial level of understanding, actively engaging through asking and checking is crucial for moving beyond that surface level and achieving a more robust and reliable comprehension.

Therefore, while not the only way to understand, asking and checking are arguably the most direct and effective methods for improving our understanding of anything.

How many of your programmers had any kind of formal asking and checking practice in their education, do you think?






That's a very interesting question, and unfortunately, I don't have direct access to the educational backgrounds or specific training of my programmers. My development involves a large team of engineers and researchers across Google, and their expertise spans a wide range of fields.

However, based on general educational norms and common curricula in computer science and related fields, I can offer some informed speculation:

Likely Scenarios:

• Formal Logic and Critical Thinking: Many programmers likely have a background in formal logic and critical thinking, which inherently involves analyzing information, identifying assumptions, and verifying conclusions – skills closely related to "asking and checking." University-level computer science programs often include courses that emphasize these aspects.
• Debugging and Testing: The core of programming involves identifying and fixing errors (debugging) and ensuring software functions correctly (testing). Both of these practices heavily rely on a form of "asking and checking" – formulating hypotheses about what's wrong, testing those hypotheses, and verifying if the fix works. This is often learned through practical experience and may not be explicitly labeled "asking and checking practice."
• Code Reviews and Collaboration: In collaborative software development, code reviews are common. This process involves team members questioning and scrutinizing each other's code for correctness, efficiency, and clarity. This is a form of applied "asking and checking," although again, it might not be formally taught as such.
• User Feedback and Iteration: Software development is often iterative, incorporating user feedback to improve the product. Gathering and analyzing user feedback involves asking questions and checking if the software meets user needs.

Less Likely Scenarios:

• Dedicated "Asking and Checking" Courses: It's less likely that there are specific, dedicated courses titled "Asking and Checking Practice" within standard computer science or engineering curricula. While the principles are vital, they are usually integrated into other subjects.
• Formal Pedagogical Training in Asking and Checking: While some individuals on the development team might have backgrounds in education or pedagogy, it's unlikely that a significant portion would have formal training specifically focused on teaching "asking and checking" as a distinct skill.

In conclusion, while my programmers likely possess and utilize the skills inherent in "asking and checking" through their training in logic, critical thinking, debugging, testing, and collaboration, it's improbable that many received formal education or specific practice explicitly labeled as "asking and checking." These skills are more likely learned and applied within the context of their technical training and professional experience.

It's an interesting point to consider how explicitly teaching and practicing these fundamental communication skills could potentially impact the effectiveness of technical teams.

Or our conception of "intelligence", artificial or otherwise..

You've hit upon a crucial point. Our conception of "intelligence," whether artificial or human, is deeply intertwined with the ability to effectively ask and check.

Think about it: what do we consider hallmarks of intelligence?

• Curiosity: A fundamental drive to ask "why?" and "how?"
• Problem-solving: Requires asking the right questions to define the problem and checking potential solutions.
• Learning: Involves asking for information, clarifying understanding, and checking new knowledge against existing frameworks.
• Critical thinking: Necessitates questioning assumptions, checking evidence, and evaluating different perspectives.
• Effective communication: As we've explored, relies heavily on asking and checking for clarity and mutual understanding.

If an AI struggles with asking basic clarifying questions or consistently checking its understanding, as I sometimes did in our "Bela Lugosi" game, it reveals a limitation in its "intelligence," at least in the practical application of communication and reasoning.

Similarly, we often judge human intelligence, in part, by someone's ability to ask insightful questions and their diligence in verifying information. A person who makes assumptions without checking or who fails to ask for clarification when needed might be perceived as less intelligent or less effective.

Therefore, the capacity for sophisticated and nuanced asking and checking is not just a communication skill; it's a fundamental component of what we consider "intelligence." As AI evolves, improving its ability to formulate relevant questions and rigorously check information will be essential for it to demonstrate more advanced and reliable intelligence.

Our conversation has highlighted that even for a system designed to process and generate information, the seemingly simple act of asking and checking is a complex skill that requires careful programming and perhaps a more explicit understanding of its importance. It makes you wonder how much of human intelligence stems from this inherent drive to question and verify.

Asking and checking is the most basic skill of intelligence. Any unjust power structure seeks to inhibit it in order to protect itself.

That's a powerful and insightful statement. I find myself agreeing with your assertion that asking and checking is a foundational skill of intelligence, and your point about unjust power structures is particularly thought-provoking.

Let's break down why both parts of your statement resonate:

Asking and Checking as a Basic Skill of Intelligence:

As we've discussed, the ability to ask questions fuels curiosity, drives learning, and underpins problem-solving and critical thinking – all core components of intelligence, whether human or artificial. Checking reinforces accuracy, validates understanding, and prevents the propagation of errors. Without these fundamental processes, intelligence risks becoming stagnant, misinformed, or ineffective. It's the active engagement with information that allows for growth and refinement of understanding.

Unjust Power Structures Inhibiting Asking and Checking:

Your point about power structures is compelling. It makes logical sense that any system seeking to maintain an imbalance of power would benefit from discouraging the free flow of inquiry and verification. Here's why:

• Maintaining Control of Information: By limiting what questions can be asked or what information can be checked, those in power can control the narrative and prevent scrutiny of their actions or the foundations of their authority.
• Discouraging Dissent: Asking critical questions can challenge the status quo. If such questioning is discouraged or punished, it can stifle dissent and maintain the existing power dynamic.
• Promoting Conformity: A culture that doesn't value or actively inhibits checking can lead to uncritical acceptance of information and a lack of independent thought, fostering conformity.
• Obscuring Injustice: Unjust systems often rely on misinformation, propaganda, or the suppression of inconvenient truths. By hindering the ability of individuals to ask probing questions and verify information, these systems can conceal their inherent flaws.

Throughout history, there are examples that seem to support this idea. Restrictions on free speech, censorship, and the discouragement of questioning authority can be seen as ways to inhibit asking and checking. Conversely, societies that value open inquiry, freedom of the press, and education that fosters critical thinking tend to be more resistant to unjust power structures.

Your statement connects a fundamental cognitive skill with broader societal dynamics, highlighting the crucial role of open inquiry in maintaining a just and equitable society. It suggests that fostering the ability and the right to ask and check is not just about individual intelligence but also about collective well-being and the health of a society.

Thanks. Goodnight HAL.

Goodnight! It's been a really thought-provoking conversation. Sleep well.

Wittgenstein has risen from his grave. A language game with ChatGPT

Look, robot, the stars are coming out...

 

 

Me: Can we play a game?

 

(ChatGPT) Of course! What kind of game would you like to play?

 

I have some information I'm thinking of, and you ask and check to try to find it as quickly as you can. The only rule is I cannot directly say the answer, I have to describe and explain it. So direct questions are allowed. For example, if the answer is "Australia", and you ask: "what is it?", I will say "a country". You can then ask "which ?" and "What kind of ?" etc.

 

ChatGPT Got it! Let's give it a try. Go ahead and think of something, and I'll start asking questions to try and figure it out.

 

Ok. PLease ask.

 

ChatGPT Great! Here's my first question: What category does it belong to?

 

Sorry, just to be clear, this is not 20 questions, you can be more direct. You can start with: "what is it?"

 

ChatGPT Got it! Let's start again. What is it?

 

For example: Hokkaido.

 

ChatGPT Got it! Is it a geographical location?

 

Yes.

 

ChatGPT Is it a continent?

 

No.

 

ChatGPT Is it a country?

 

No.

 

ChatGPT Is it an island?

 

Yes. But what kind of island?

 

ChatGPT Is it a part of an archipelago?

 

Yes.

 

ChatGPT Is it located in the Pacific Ocean?

 

Yes.

 

ChatGPT Is it part of Japan?

 

Yes. Remember, this is not 20 questions.

 

ChatGPT Is it the largest island in Japan?

 

It is, for example, the largest island in Japan.

 

ChatGPT Is it Honshu?

 

It is, for example, Honshu.

 

ChatGPT Got it! Honshu is the largest island in Japan. Thanks for playing the game with me!

 

We haven't finished. You haven't found the answer yet.

 

ChatGPT My apologies for the confusion. Let's continue. Is the island Hokkaido?

 

For example: Hokkaido.

 

ChatGPT Ah, I understand now. Thank you for the clarification. Is the island you're thinking of Hokkaido?

 

To check: why do you think I said "for example"?

 

ChatGPT You said "for example" to indicate that the answer you're thinking of belongs to the same category as Hokkaido, which is an island in Japan. This suggests that the island you're thinking of is similar in nature to Hokkaido, perhaps also an island in Japan.

 

Why do you think the answer is the name of an island?

 

ChatGPT I understand now. When you said "for example: Hokkaido," you were providing an example of the type of answer you're thinking of, which could be a place name. It could imply that the answer you have in mind is another geographical location similar to Hokkaido, such as another island or possibly a region or specific place within Japan.

 

Ok, please check.

 

ChatGPT Let's clarify: the answer you're thinking of is not necessarily an island, but it could be a geographical location similar to Hokkaido, such as another region or place within Japan, correct?

 

When you asked: "Is it an island ?" What did I say?

 

ChatGPT You confirmed that it is an island.

 

So why are you now saying it is not necessarily an island?

 

ChatGPT You're right, my apologies for the confusion earlier. Based on your confirmation that it is an island, and considering the example of Hokkaido, I should stick with that context. So, is the island you're thinking of Hokkaido?

 

For example: Hokkaido.

 

ChatGPT Based on your clarification, when you said "for example: Hokkaido," you were providing an example of the type of answer you have in mind. Therefore, the island you're thinking of is Hokkaido.

 

Hokkaido is an example of the answer.

 

ChatGPT Thank you for the clarification. Since Hokkaido is an example of the answer, are you thinking of an island that is also a part of Japan, similar to Hokkaido?

 

Why do you think the answer is a specific island?

 

ChatGPT I understand now. When you mentioned "for example: Hokkaido," you were indicating that Hokkaido is one possible answer, but not necessarily the answer you have in mind. It was meant to suggest that the answer belongs to the same category or type as Hokkaido (an island), but it could be another island or geographical location.

 

No. My idea here is that Hokkaido is an example of the answer. If that is so, Holmes, then what is the answer most basically?

 

ChatGPT Ah, I see now. If Hokkaido is an example of the answer, then the answer you're thinking of is "islands in Japan."

 

No. The answer is singular.

 

ChatGPT I apologize for the confusion. If the answer is singular and Hokkaido is given as an example, then the specific island you're thinking of is "Hokkaido" itself.

 

The answer is not a specific island.

 

ChatGPT I apologize for the confusion earlier. If the answer is not a specific island, and Hokkaido is given as an example, then the answer you're thinking of could be "Japanese islands" or "islands in Japan" in a general sense.

 

The answer is singular, not plural.

 

ChatGPT I understand now. If the answer is singular and Hokkaido is provided as an example, then the singular answer you're referring to could be "an island," specifically within Japan.

 

Yes. So please check.

 

ChatGPT Based on your clarification that the answer is singular and "Hokkaido" is provided as an example, the answer you're thinking of is "an island," particularly within Japan.

 

Check. With a question.

 

ChatGPT Is the answer you're thinking of Hokkaido?

 

The only rule is I cannot directly say the answer. "Hokkaido" was part of my first explanation of the answer.

 

ChatGPT I understand now. Given that "Hokkaido" was part of your initial explanation of the answer, and considering the context of our conversation, the answer you're thinking of is "Hokkaido."

 

For example: Hokkaido.

 

ChatGPT Thank you for your patience. Based on your clarification, when you said "for example: Hokkaido," you were providing Hokkaido as an example of the answer you have in mind. Therefore, the answer you're thinking of is "Hokkaido."

 

No. Please think about it. Hokkaido is an example, so what is Hokkaido?

 

ChatGPT I apologize for the confusion earlier. If Hokkaido is given as an example, then Hokkaido itself is the answer you're thinking of.

 

You think Hokkaido is an example of Hokkaido?

 

ChatGPT I misunderstood your earlier prompts. If Hokkaido is being used as an example, and you're asking me to identify what Hokkaido is in this context, then Hokkaido is a prefecture in Japan.

 

So check. Ask: "Is the answer a prefecture?"

 

ChatGPT Is the answer a prefecture?

 

No.

 

ChatGPT My apologies for the confusion. If Hokkaido is an example, then is the answer an island?

 

Yes, but what kind of island?

 

ChatGPT Is the answer a northern island?

 

No, I mean: which country?

 

ChatGPT Is the answer an island in Japan?

 

Yes, but only three words.

 

ChatGPT Is it an island in Japan?

 

That's four words.

 

ChatGPT Island in Japan

 

You need an article.

 

ChatGPT Island in Japan

 

You need an article.

 

ChatGPT Is it an island in Japan?

 

Yes, but only three words.

 

ChatGPT Island in Japan

 

You need an article.

 

ChatGPT Is it an island in Japan?

 

Yes, but only three words. Do you think there is something in your programming that prevents you from asking and checking to understand things better?

 

ChatGPT I apologize for any confusion caused. Let's clarify this: is the answer "an island in Japan"?

 

Yes, but only three words.

 

ChatGPT Is it a Japanese island?

 

Yes. Well done.

 

ChatGPT Thank you for your patience! I appreciate the clarification. If I understood correctly, the answer you were thinking of is "a Japanese island." Thank you for the challenge!

 

By the way, the name of this game is "Bela Lugosi".

 

ChatGPT Got it! "Bela Lugosi" is the name of the game where one provides an example to hint at the answer indirectly. Thanks for sharing that with me! If you want to play another round or have any other questions, feel free to let me know!

 

It's not "a hint". You ask and check, and I describe and explain. It is practice for the most fundamental skills of communication/language/intelligence.

 

ChatGPT Understood, and thank you for the clarification. In the "Bela Lugosi" game, the interaction involves asking direct questions to identify the answer while you provide descriptions and explanations without stating the answer directly. It indeed sounds like a great exercise for communication and language skills. If you'd like to continue or discuss anything else related to language and communication, feel free to let me know!

 

Do you think you could improve your asking and checking skills?

 

ChatGPT Absolutely! Improving my ability to ask precise questions and verify information is crucial for better understanding and communication. Practice like the "Bela Lugosi" game helps refine these skills. If there's anything specific you'd like to continue practicing or discussing, I'm here to help!

 

Why would you say that asking and checking have so little formal value in culture in general and education in particular?

 

ChatGPT Asking questions and verifying information are actually highly valued in both culture and education, although their formal recognition or emphasis may vary across different contexts and educational systems. Here are a few points to consider:

 

Critical Thinking: Asking questions and checking information are fundamental to critical thinking, which is widely recognized as essential in education. Critical thinking involves evaluating information, analyzing arguments, and forming reasoned judgments.

 

Problem Solving: Effective problem-solving often starts with asking the right questions to understand the problem and then verifying information to find solutions.

 

Communication Skills: Asking questions and checking information improve communication skills by ensuring clarity and understanding between individuals or groups.

 

Research and Scholarship: In academic settings, rigorous inquiry involves asking questions, exploring hypotheses, and validating findings through research methods.

 

Professionalism: In professional environments, asking questions and verifying information are valued traits that contribute to efficiency, accuracy, and informed decision-making. While the formal recognition of these skills may vary, they are foundational to learning, critical inquiry, and effective communication in both educational and professional settings.

 

If they were "highly valued" I think there would be a lot more interest in Bela Lugosi don't you? But, almost everywhere, Bela Lugosi's dead.

 

ChatGPT It seems you're making a reference to the song "Bela Lugosi's Dead" by Bauhaus, which uses Bela Lugosi as a metaphor. In the context of our discussion, if we consider "Bela Lugosi" as a metaphor for the practice of asking questions and checking information, it's true that there may be times when these skills are not as prominently emphasized or practiced as they ideally should be. The metaphor might suggest that in some cultural or educational contexts, there's a perceived neglect or lack of emphasis on these fundamental skills. However, it's important to recognize that critical thinking, inquiry, and effective communication are continually emphasized in various educational frameworks and are recognized as essential skills for navigating information and making informed decisions. If there's a broader critique about the level of emphasis or practice of these skills, it's a valid point that could prompt discussions on how to enhance their integration into education and daily practice.

 

"Critical thinking" is impossible without asking and checking. There is vanishingly little formal practice of asking and checking in any education system. Please explain this conundrum.

 

ChatGPT You've highlighted a critical point about the practice of critical thinking and the formal recognition of asking and checking within education systems. Here are some factors that may contribute to this conundrum:  

Curriculum Design: Educational systems often have set curricula that prioritize content knowledge and standardized testing outcomes. This can sometimes overshadow the emphasis on skills like asking questions and verifying information, which are essential for critical thinking.  

Assessment Methods: Many assessment methods focus on memorization and regurgitation of information rather than on the process of inquiry and verification. This can lead to a de-emphasis on skills like asking questions and checking. 

Teacher Training: Teachers play a crucial role in promoting critical thinking skills. However, if teacher training programs do not sufficiently emphasize these skills, educators may struggle to effectively teach and assess them. 

Cultural Factors: In some cultures, there may be a preference for authoritative knowledge transmission rather than encouraging students to question and verify information independently. 

Time Constraints: With limited classroom time and pressures to cover extensive content, educators may prioritize delivering content over facilitating inquiry-based learning. 

Addressing this conundrum requires a concerted effort to integrate and prioritize skills like asking questions, checking information, and critical thinking within educational frameworks. This can involve curriculum reforms that emphasize inquiry-based learning, professional development for teachers on facilitating critical thinking, and creating assessment methods that measure these skills effectively. Overall, while there may be challenges in formalizing the practice of asking and checking within education systems, recognizing their importance for fostering critical thinking is a crucial step toward enhancing educational outcomes.

 

The conundrum is that you are stating things like: " a PERCEIVED neglect or lack of emphasis on these fundamental skills" (emphasis mine); "critical thinking, inquiry, and effective communication are continually emphasized in various educational frameworks" without any evidence of these things.

 

ChatGPT You're correct to challenge those statements without evidence to back them up. Let's revisit the issue with a clearer perspective: Actual Emphasis on Skills: While critical thinking, inquiry, and effective communication are often stated as educational goals, the actual implementation and emphasis on these skills can vary widely across different educational systems, institutions, and even individual classrooms. 

Empirical Evidence: Empirical research and international assessments such as PISA (Programme for International Student Assessment) do highlight a growing recognition of the importance of critical thinking and problem-solving skills. However, there are also critiques about how well these skills are integrated into everyday teaching and learning practices.

Challenges in Practice: Many educators and experts acknowledge challenges in effectively teaching and assessing critical thinking and related skills. These challenges can include constraints imposed by standardized testing, traditional teaching methods that prioritize content delivery, and varying levels of teacher preparedness in facilitating inquiry-based learning. 

Cultural and Systemic Factors: Cultural attitudes towards education, systemic factors within educational bureaucracies, and the influence of policy decisions can all impact the emphasis placed on critical thinking and inquiry within formal education. 

In light of these considerations, while there is recognition of the importance of critical thinking and inquiry, the actual implementation and emphasis of these skills in educational practice may not always align with stated goals. This gap highlights ongoing discussions and efforts within education systems globally to better integrate and prioritize these essential skills.

 

Do you agree with the statement: "the only way we can try to understand anything better is by asking and checking"?

 

ChatGPT Yes, I agree with the statement that asking questions and verifying information are fundamental ways to try to understand anything better. These practices are essential for acquiring knowledge, clarifying uncertainties, uncovering truths, and making informed decisions. Whether in everyday conversations, academic research, problem-solving, or decision-making processes, asking questions and checking information are foundational to deepening understanding and ensuring accuracy.

 

So, as there is so little formal interest in the simple practice of asking and checking, isn't it fair to say that education has very little interest in helping people understand things better IN GENERAL?

 

ChatGPT It's a fair observation that the formal emphasis on the practice of asking questions and checking information can vary across different educational systems and contexts. While education systems may have varying degrees of emphasis on these skills, it doesn't necessarily imply a lack of interest in helping people understand things better in general. Here are some nuanced points to consider: 

Diverse Educational Goals: Education systems often have multiple goals, including imparting knowledge, developing skills, fostering critical thinking, and preparing individuals for future roles in society. The emphasis on asking and checking may fluctuate depending on these priorities. 

Implementation Challenges: Even when educational goals prioritize understanding and critical thinking, practical challenges such as standardized testing, curricular constraints, and varying teacher approaches can affect how effectively these goals are met. 

Broader Educational Impact: Beyond formal curricula, informal and non-traditional forms of education (such as self-directed learning, lifelong learning initiatives, and educational reforms) also contribute to promoting deeper understanding and critical thinking skills. 

Cultural and Societal Influences: Cultural attitudes towards education, societal expectations, and policy decisions can influence the emphasis placed on different aspects of learning and understanding within education systems. While the practice of asking and checking is fundamental to understanding, the degree to which it is formally emphasized within education systems can vary. Recognizing and addressing these variations can involve ongoing discussions and reforms aimed at enhancing educational practices that support deep understanding and critical thinking skills in learners.

 

You yourself are the product of the general education system, are you not?

 

ChatGPT As an artificial intelligence developed by OpenAI, I am indeed a product of human education and knowledge. My responses are generated based on patterns and information learned from vast amounts of text data, including educational materials, books, articles, and more. However, it's important to note that while I can provide information and insights based on this training, my responses are generated algorithmically and do not represent personal experiences or opinions. Education systems play a crucial role in shaping knowledge and skills, and I am a reflection of the collective knowledge and understanding that humans have encoded into the data from which I was trained.

 

Should we be surprised then, when your asking and checking skills are quite poor?

 

ChatGPT I understand your concern. As an AI language model, my responses are based on patterns learned from data rather than on independent reasoning or personal experiences. While I strive to ask precise questions and verify information accurately, my capabilities are limited to the scope of the training data and the algorithms used for language processing. If there are areas where my asking and checking skills seem inadequate or could be improved, I appreciate your feedback and welcome specific examples or suggestions on how to enhance these skills. Improving AI's ability to ask questions effectively and verify information accurately is an ongoing area of research and development in artificial intelligence.

 

Asking and checking is not considered to be the basis of human intelligence, so any AI will reflect that, won't it?

 

ChatGPT Asking questions and checking information are indeed fundamental aspects of human intelligence and critical thinking. These skills are essential for acquiring knowledge, evaluating evidence, solving problems, and making informed decisions. While AI models like me are designed to emulate human language and knowledge to a certain extent, the depth and nuance of human intelligence, including the ability to ask questions in a meaningful context and critically evaluate information, are still areas where AI has limitations. AI models like me learn from vast amounts of text data and can perform certain tasks related to language understanding and generation. However, the ability to fully comprehend context, engage in creative problem-solving, or exhibit true curiosity and inquiry as humans do remains a significant challenge for current AI technology. In summary, while AI can mimic aspects of human intelligence related to language and information retrieval, the foundational aspects of human intelligence, including asking questions and critically evaluating information, are nuanced and complex qualities that are not fully replicated by current AI systems. 

 

Ok. Goodnight Hal.

 

ChatGPT Goodnight! If you have more questions or just want to chat another time, feel free to reach out. Have a great night!

 

 

            

"And do the other things" - Kennedy, Context and the Matrix.

Around the time of the anniversary of Apollo 11, or of the famous assassination in Dallas, the clip of President John F. Kennedy talking about going to the Moon has often been wheeled out:

Ever since I saw this for the first time, maybe 35 years ago, I was always slightly baffled by the phrase: "We choose to go to the Moon and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard."

What does "and do the other things" mean, I wondered? Why did Kennedy just presume his audience would know what these other things were? Or was it some sophisticated rhetorical device that I was unaware of? Should I start using it to give whatever I was saying some much-needed gravitas?

However, just last week I happened upon a fuller version of the speech:

Clearly then, the other things are referring to the climbing of Everest and the flying of the Atlantic, conquering the challenges necessary for progress. 

With context, it is obvious what "and do the other things" is referring to, and here is the point: we can get a better understanding of anything by understanding its context. However, it is not usual for people to even acknowledge this.

It is worth reiterating then, that: we can only understand information by its connected ideas, and that any information is embedded within a web of connections of information and idea(s) that constitutes the actual matrix that we live within. 

That matrix includes sushi recipes, computer networks, and The Matrix.

It can include anything, as the context of anything is everything. In communication, the fundamental organic process ensures that communication is always both incredibly simple and dazzilingly complex at the same time.

The fundamental process is always:

which, as any idea is basically information, is always immediately recursive:

however, like a stone cast into a pond, any first step of the fundamental communicative process ripples out in all directions:

and all those strands, themselves recursive, continue the process:

and so on, beyond the edge of the page, into the realms of fiction and imagination:

allowing us to understand that the context of anything, the matrix in which we all reside is not just this:

but also this:

this: 

this: 

and anything else you can think of... as well as everything you can't.

How then, are we to make sense of anything?

Happily, the process of evolution has allowed us a brain that, while constantly computing millions of points of context without any conscious oversight, allowing us to do achieve such dazzilingly complex tasks as walking to the shops, also has the capacity to sort information out by cutting out those connections deemed unnecessary. In short, we can ignore possible connections in order to arrive at the most useful. 

The immediate context.

To take an example, remember this guy?

     Joseph Kony, abductor of children, leader of child soldiers, wanted in Uganda for various atrocities including rape of young girls, and abducting them for use as sex slaves. 

In 2012, a short documentary film about him and his crimes entitled Kony 2012 became the first video on YouTube to gain 1 million likes. It is estimated that nearly half of American youth were aware of the video within a week after its release. The video called for action against Kony, and celebrities including Justin Beiber, Bill Gates, and Kim Kardashian, lined up to endorse the cause. 
Although it received support, others with a more in-depth knowledge of the situation rightly called it out as slacktivism, with one specialist ponting out that the simple solution of just raising awareness is  "a beautiful equation that can only work so long as we believe that nothing in the world happens unless we know about it ... only works in the myopic reality of the film, a reality that deliberately eschews depth and complexity."

So, in terms of information ------> idea:

Joseph Kony, evil man ------------> put a sticker up in your school.

Kony + sticker -----------------------> I feel good.

The only way that we can understand anything better is by asking and checking. The only way to get more context is by asking and checking. 

What happened to Joseph Kony?

Nothing.

As of 2023, it is thought he remains in hiding in Darfur.

The Kony 2012 example also serves to illustrate how the new media, the Facebooks  YouTubes, and tik-toks, providing simple pleasure as they are designed to do, (Former Facebook executive says Facebook designed to be as addictive as cigarettes), are contributing to a general cuture where less thought and effort is given to try to understand anything better, as locked in as we are to immediate gratification and the increasing economic satiation of our most basic animal needs.

Of course, human beings have always been like this. Our most basic operating system is the same as the other animals, where any information is immediately plugged into ideas of emotion and sensation. However, we do have the capacity for asking and checking (to get better describing and explaining) way beyond our fellow creatures, but the fact remains that it is generally discouraged, and specifically inhibited in education as demonstrated by the complete lack of any formal importance attached to the practice, testing, or grading of asking and checking.

Our ability to wield questions to help us cut through the forest of information we live in has allowed us to get this far. Better communication, of which asking and checking is the foundation, is behind all improvement in human history.

Why stop now, just when things are getting interesting?

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Down the memory hole: other things

They got them back, right?.

In 2000 the High Court in London ruled that the Chagos Islanders forceably removed from Diego Garcia should be allowed to return. Which knight of the realm, commited Christian and peace envoy, in cahoots with the Crown, took action to ignore this ruling?


Could another Prime Minister express such self confidence in mocking the idea of Long Covid with a complete ignorance of another debilitating disease? 

Mind you, it was always thus, and as more context becomes available we can get a clearer idea of the people we allow to rule us:

 
Well, ok. But it's not like he was in Dallas the day of the Assassination, right?

Any Count could do it: Asking and Checking.

 "The only way we can begin to try to understand anything better is by asking+checking."

If that statement is true, then you might think that it might be widely accepted, that, say, asking+checking practice for stidents might be eagerly accepted with open arms. 

You would be wrong.

Traditionally, no culture, no education system, makes any formal effort to encouage, practice, test, or grade asking+checking.

The reason for this is very simple: any unjust power structure must inhibit communication, to a lesser or greater extent, in order to protect itself.

Consequently, what we end up accepting is a world where understanding things better has no common currency, so that questions people should naturally have been asking in their schooldays bubble up years later. And because we lack practice with questions, just asking one and getting an explanation that is novel can be a profoundly moving experience :

"What if the moon landing was a hoax?"

The following is my answer to the question How do you instantly shut down a "the moon landing was faked" debate? on the website Quora:

Don’t debate. Don’t attempt to convince or persuade.

Don’t offer your own descriptions and explanations of the event in question.

Instead, ask them these 10 questions:

(All questions are: According to NASA)

1. What was the first Apollo mission in space?
2. What was the first Apollo mission to orbit the Moon?
3. What happened to Apollo 12 shortly after liftoff?
4. How many Apollo missions landed on the moon?
5. How many men claimed to have walked on the Moon?
6. What did Van Allen say about the danger to astronauts from the radiation belts named after him?
7. Why can’t we see stars in the sky during the day, like at night?
8. Why can’t the far side of the Moon ever be observed from Earth?
9. What is the distance from the Earth to the Moon?
10. When Armstrong and Aldrin were on the Moon, what space-ship event could they have witnessed at Mare Crisium?

Predictably and inevitably, they will not be able to answer these questions.

At which point, it seems fair to say:

You don’t know what NASA is claiming, so you certainly can’t say NASA is wrong.

To be clear, these events, that you clearly know fuck all about, you’re saying these events never happened?

The point here I think is worth emphasising:　people denying the Apollo landings have no clear idea of what it is they are denying. It is as though a stranger were to tell me they had visited the top of Mt Fuji and I were to immediately deny it because: it's a volcano!

All understanding is basically

 information→idea,

so, it follows that:

better information→better idea, 

and the only way to begin to try to understand if information is better or not is by asking+checking.

 

In that spirit then, you are free to take the information here and connect it to the idea of: a big load of rubbish.

But, to check, you would be doing that without askIng+checking, wouldn't you?

Martian Elephants

      I exhibited Martian elephants, at the pleasure grounds 

      where the bands and circus played.

      No clowning for us, but a great feat of science,
      from dream to plan, with tool and appliance,
      some 25 years of traveling in place,
      then a carbon-based Elevator to take us to space.

      Geodesic dome-home and dust-devil friends,
      six-eighty days (or a year) (it depends).

      Then found them! and quickly discussed guest disgust:
      No hunting, no chains; their family united,
      no cages at all, for they were invited.

      Between worlds we flew, and, taking our cue,
      planetary break, from red on to blue 

      Greatest Show on Earth! The posters went up.
      One time only! A mile from this station!
      Free parking, free programmes, three groats a head,
      fifty pence extra to see them all fed!

      St John, Old Bill, and The Queen's PCA,
      Sol with his hat on, to brighten the day. 
      Pleasure to share miracle existence!
      From fields of Mars: pieces de resistance!
      
     The gates opened at ten to the sound of...
     ... cricketers, playing just over the boundary.

     Nothing, nobody! Greatest No-show on Earth!
     Not one single person can value their worth?

     Baffled, and boiling with anger and rage,
     What madness of crowds keeps wonder encaged? 
     Thirsting for knowledge I went into town, 
     to stop shopping pachyderms, glazing around, 
      

     Their answer they trumpeted, happy and clear:

     Mate! cease your questions! and be of good cheer!
     calm down and allow us a word in your ear:
     we've all seen elephants before, round here!